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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://7m7y.com/2008/10/27/ryans-number/comment-page-1/#comment-926</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan.... Where are ya dude?  I haven&#039;t heard anything from you lately. Hope things are going well and you&#039;re still on the climb with us. We&#039;re all here to help if you need it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan&#8230;. Where are ya dude?  I haven&#8217;t heard anything from you lately. Hope things are going well and you&#8217;re still on the climb with us. We&#8217;re all here to help if you need it.</p>
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		<title>By: My Mountain&#8217;s too steep! - Part 1 &#171;</title>
		<link>http://7m7y.com/2008/10/27/ryans-number/comment-page-1/#comment-925</link>
		<dc:creator>My Mountain&#8217;s too steep! - Part 1 &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ryan&#8217;s&#160;Number [...]</description>
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		<title>By: AJC</title>
		<link>http://7m7y.com/2008/10/27/ryans-number/comment-page-1/#comment-924</link>
		<dc:creator>AJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Josh - LOL ... no! The IRS reads my site, too, you know :P

Seriously, if you are trading, you need to find a good accountant; you probably need to set up a LLC if you want to create carry-forward losses, and avoid pushing your personal tax rate up too high. But, that all depends on your personal situation, so the accountant (find a good one who understands business and investing ... not just an income-tax paper pusher) is the &#039;solution&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Josh &#8211; LOL &#8230; no! The IRS reads my site, too, you know <img src='http://7m7y.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Seriously, if you are trading, you need to find a good accountant; you probably need to set up a LLC if you want to create carry-forward losses, and avoid pushing your personal tax rate up too high. But, that all depends on your personal situation, so the accountant (find a good one who understands business and investing &#8230; not just an income-tax paper pusher) is the &#8216;solution&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://7m7y.com/2008/10/27/ryans-number/comment-page-1/#comment-923</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@AJC - I&#039;ve been looking for ways to avoid taxes lately. Can you suggest a resource to teach me how to avoid paying to much tax on short term stock investments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AJC &#8211; I&#8217;ve been looking for ways to avoid taxes lately. Can you suggest a resource to teach me how to avoid paying to much tax on short term stock investments?</p>
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		<title>By: AJC</title>
		<link>http://7m7y.com/2008/10/27/ryans-number/comment-page-1/#comment-922</link>
		<dc:creator>AJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ryan - Good question/s right bakatchoo ... :) Michael Masterson includes tax rates in his living off $xxxk a year tables [see my 3 consecutive posts commencing with this one: http://7m7y.com/2008/07/25/living-off-100000-per-year/ ] I believe (erroneously) &quot;assuming a ... tax burden of 35%&quot; for all the reasons that you suggest.

I recommend that you pick a tax rate b/w 25% and 35% and use that, knowing that there are legal and moral &#039;things&#039; that you and your accountant and attorney will figure by the time you get there ... believe me, you won&#039;t even get near your Number without having a lot of these things in place already.

Your example of assuming that you will be paying cash for your house but perhaps refinancing to release some of the equity for other things is a good one e.g. I have a HELOC on my home for investing in the US stock market, where I am still 100% leveraged ... I like to ride the thin edge of the razor ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ryan &#8211; Good question/s right bakatchoo &#8230; <img src='http://7m7y.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Michael Masterson includes tax rates in his living off $xxxk a year tables [see my 3 consecutive posts commencing with this one: <a href="http://7m7y.com/2008/07/25/living-off-100000-per-year/" rel="nofollow">http://7m7y.com/2008/07/25/living-off-100000-per-year/</a> ] I believe (erroneously) &#8220;assuming a &#8230; tax burden of 35%&#8221; for all the reasons that you suggest.</p>
<p>I recommend that you pick a tax rate b/w 25% and 35% and use that, knowing that there are legal and moral &#8216;things&#8217; that you and your accountant and attorney will figure by the time you get there &#8230; believe me, you won&#8217;t even get near your Number without having a lot of these things in place already.</p>
<p>Your example of assuming that you will be paying cash for your house but perhaps refinancing to release some of the equity for other things is a good one e.g. I have a HELOC on my home for investing in the US stock market, where I am still 100% leveraged &#8230; I like to ride the thin edge of the razor <img src='http://7m7y.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://7m7y.com/2008/10/27/ryans-number/comment-page-1/#comment-921</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ AJC - Good question.  We have been putting funds away monthly for college, so hopefully that won&#039;t be an issue (crossing my fingers for state schools with scholarships!!).  Electricity, groceries (though we&#039;ll be eating out a lot! and have accounted for that), internet, cable, phone, clothes, and gas are not in that figure and have now included them into my figure pushing it to 13 mil!

As for income tax, could you shed some light (without endangering your status with the IRS!) on this subject?  Do you have a formula for this?  How much do millionaires pay in taxes?  I realize we will be in the highest tax bracket, but what can you realistically expect to pay Uncle Sam?

Let&#039;s assume in my case that we will have $350,000 in annual income.  Let&#039;s also assume that our vehicles, health insurance, child care, some travel, phone, internet, and other business type expenses will be under our corporation.

We could also, potentially, have some serious mortgage expenses to write off.  Though we previously discussed paying cash for houses upon retirement, it might make more sense to have the cash to buy our houses, but invest it elsewhere so as to reap the tax benefit.

Lastly, we will be donating approximately $60,000/year.  Much of this might not be considered charitable donations, but could probably be deemed business losses.

So in this scenario, what figure should I put in for taxes?  This will also change upon &quot;standard&quot; retirement age, correct?

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ AJC &#8211; Good question.  We have been putting funds away monthly for college, so hopefully that won&#8217;t be an issue (crossing my fingers for state schools with scholarships!!).  Electricity, groceries (though we&#8217;ll be eating out a lot! and have accounted for that), internet, cable, phone, clothes, and gas are not in that figure and have now included them into my figure pushing it to 13 mil!</p>
<p>As for income tax, could you shed some light (without endangering your status with the IRS!) on this subject?  Do you have a formula for this?  How much do millionaires pay in taxes?  I realize we will be in the highest tax bracket, but what can you realistically expect to pay Uncle Sam?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s assume in my case that we will have $350,000 in annual income.  Let&#8217;s also assume that our vehicles, health insurance, child care, some travel, phone, internet, and other business type expenses will be under our corporation.</p>
<p>We could also, potentially, have some serious mortgage expenses to write off.  Though we previously discussed paying cash for houses upon retirement, it might make more sense to have the cash to buy our houses, but invest it elsewhere so as to reap the tax benefit.</p>
<p>Lastly, we will be donating approximately $60,000/year.  Much of this might not be considered charitable donations, but could probably be deemed business losses.</p>
<p>So in this scenario, what figure should I put in for taxes?  This will also change upon &#8220;standard&#8221; retirement age, correct?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: AJC</title>
		<link>http://7m7y.com/2008/10/27/ryans-number/comment-page-1/#comment-920</link>
		<dc:creator>AJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ryan - Great spreadsheet format; others can use this by listing all their ONE-OFF EXPENSES under &#039;housing expenses&#039; and all of their ANNUAL EXPENSES under &#039;other needs&#039;.

I would recommend that others who want to try this format begin by listing TWO dollar columns:

1. For each line item in today&#039;s dollars
2. for each line item inflated to future dollars

... but, you did this all in one which is fine.

I do have a question though:

Have you covered annual living expenses and taxation etc. for a family (as Michael Masterson suggested in this series of posts: http://7m7y.com/2008/07/25/living-off-100000-per-year/ )

e.g. income tax / electricity / gas (home ad car!) / phone / internet / cable / groceries / clothes / kids clothes / school / college / etc. ?

For example, Debbie (who provided this list) has estimated $443k for 2 kids, 4 years each at private college (in 2018 dollars)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ryan &#8211; Great spreadsheet format; others can use this by listing all their ONE-OFF EXPENSES under &#8216;housing expenses&#8217; and all of their ANNUAL EXPENSES under &#8216;other needs&#8217;.</p>
<p>I would recommend that others who want to try this format begin by listing TWO dollar columns:</p>
<p>1. For each line item in today&#8217;s dollars<br />
2. for each line item inflated to future dollars</p>
<p>&#8230; but, you did this all in one which is fine.</p>
<p>I do have a question though:</p>
<p>Have you covered annual living expenses and taxation etc. for a family (as Michael Masterson suggested in this series of posts: <a href="http://7m7y.com/2008/07/25/living-off-100000-per-year/" rel="nofollow">http://7m7y.com/2008/07/25/living-off-100000-per-year/</a> )</p>
<p>e.g. income tax / electricity / gas (home ad car!) / phone / internet / cable / groceries / clothes / kids clothes / school / college / etc. ?</p>
<p>For example, Debbie (who provided this list) has estimated $443k for 2 kids, 4 years each at private college (in 2018 dollars)</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://7m7y.com/2008/10/27/ryans-number/comment-page-1/#comment-919</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ryan, I love the Maid/Nanny idea. I just can&#039;t seem to put my clothes away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ryan, I love the Maid/Nanny idea. I just can&#8217;t seem to put my clothes away.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://7m7y.com/2008/10/27/ryans-number/comment-page-1/#comment-918</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Debbie - That&#039;s right, actually just under 9 years now.  It will be my 40th birthday.  I couldn&#039;t ask for a better gift!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Debbie &#8211; That&#8217;s right, actually just under 9 years now.  It will be my 40th birthday.  I couldn&#8217;t ask for a better gift!</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie</title>
		<link>http://7m7y.com/2008/10/27/ryans-number/comment-page-1/#comment-917</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ryan - so is your date 9 years from now that you need that full amount?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ryan &#8211; so is your date 9 years from now that you need that full amount?</p>
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