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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://7m7y.com/2009/01/24/straight-to-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-1273</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jeff - Great strategy (hopefully, the backup/backup plan won&#039;t be required as it sounds like you have - or soon will have - plenty of equity in these properties to tap into, if need be) .... Now:

Place your bets, please :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jeff &#8211; Great strategy (hopefully, the backup/backup plan won&#8217;t be required as it sounds like you have &#8211; or soon will have &#8211; plenty of equity in these properties to tap into, if need be) &#8230;. Now:</p>
<p>Place your bets, please <img src='http://7m7y.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://7m7y.com/2009/01/24/straight-to-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-1272</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve/Adrian - Great questions.

Bottom line up front (or what some refer to as BLUF): Yes, I can handle both houses for as long as it takes.

I know it can be difficult to get a true picture of our decision making when we only convey the results in a few hundred words.  I apologize if I left this a bit vague.

I&#039;m a planner and analyzer by nature and would not have entered into this arrangement without a solid back up plan.  In this case I actually have two back up plans.

Primary plan - Rent one house with positive cash flow while living in the other.  This plan is in play and working well right now.

Back up plan - Carry both houses on my own back.  I started this process with the assumption that I had to carry both homes indefinitely.  By my math, that is not only possible, but quite doable.

Back up to the back up - Have a fire sale on properties.  Fortunately I bought smartly (my opinion :-) ) on both homes.  I am in the position of being able to discount both homes significantly relative to current comparable home sales and still make a profit.

As for gambling with my future...I think that&#039;s inherent in just about any investment we&#039;ll ever make.  Given that opinion we are all gambling here at 7m7y.

Thanks for the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve/Adrian &#8211; Great questions.</p>
<p>Bottom line up front (or what some refer to as BLUF): Yes, I can handle both houses for as long as it takes.</p>
<p>I know it can be difficult to get a true picture of our decision making when we only convey the results in a few hundred words.  I apologize if I left this a bit vague.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a planner and analyzer by nature and would not have entered into this arrangement without a solid back up plan.  In this case I actually have two back up plans.</p>
<p>Primary plan &#8211; Rent one house with positive cash flow while living in the other.  This plan is in play and working well right now.</p>
<p>Back up plan &#8211; Carry both houses on my own back.  I started this process with the assumption that I had to carry both homes indefinitely.  By my math, that is not only possible, but quite doable.</p>
<p>Back up to the back up &#8211; Have a fire sale on properties.  Fortunately I bought smartly (my opinion <img src='http://7m7y.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) on both homes.  I am in the position of being able to discount both homes significantly relative to current comparable home sales and still make a profit.</p>
<p>As for gambling with my future&#8230;I think that&#8217;s inherent in just about any investment we&#8217;ll ever make.  Given that opinion we are all gambling here at 7m7y.</p>
<p>Thanks for the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://7m7y.com/2009/01/24/straight-to-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-1271</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 03:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Steve - Great questions; of all, since Jeff is looking at all of his properties as &#039;speculative investments&#039; right now (well, at least the house he is living in), to me, the key question that you asked is this one:

&quot;can he handle both these properties for as long as it takes?&quot;

Jeff?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Steve &#8211; Great questions; of all, since Jeff is looking at all of his properties as &#8217;speculative investments&#8217; right now (well, at least the house he is living in), to me, the key question that you asked is this one:</p>
<p>&#8220;can he handle both these properties for as long as it takes?&#8221;</p>
<p>Jeff?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t think he should be speculating  when looking at his future. I think the 20% and 25 % rules you have established seem to afford some protections against unforeseen future events or situations.
   What if he can&#039;t get the price he thinks he can on the current home? what if the housing market takes much longer to correct than he predicts?  can he handle both these properties for as long as it takes?he doesn&#039;t convince me that he has fully thought this through.
  personally, if your gonna gamble, i think you should take a couple hundred , head to vegas and gamble. but with your home or future gamble is not cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t think he should be speculating  when looking at his future. I think the 20% and 25 % rules you have established seem to afford some protections against unforeseen future events or situations.<br />
   What if he can&#8217;t get the price he thinks he can on the current home? what if the housing market takes much longer to correct than he predicts?  can he handle both these properties for as long as it takes?he doesn&#8217;t convince me that he has fully thought this through.<br />
  personally, if your gonna gamble, i think you should take a couple hundred , head to vegas and gamble. but with your home or future gamble is not cool.</p>
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		<title>By: House or Home? 7 Case Studies &#8230; &#171; How to Make 7 Million in 7 Years™</title>
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		<dc:creator>House or Home? 7 Case Studies &#8230; &#171; How to Make 7 Million in 7 Years™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeff is a Navy Pilot, so it should come as no surprise that he: (a) moves a lot, and (b) gets some housing assistance. Jeff is seeking to capitalize on his unique situation by flipping his current home &#8230; why don&#8217;t you add your comments to those that are already on his post? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jeff is a Navy Pilot, so it should come as no surprise that he: (a) moves a lot, and (b) gets some housing assistance. Jeff is seeking to capitalize on his unique situation by flipping his current home &#8230; why don&#8217;t you add your comments to those that are already on his post? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jeff - Again, you&#039;re not violating any rules IF you are committed to flipping this house in 2 to 3 years (and are pretty confident that you can turn that tidy profit) ... you are simply speculating, which is an accepted Making Money 201 activity PROVIDED that you are going in with &quot;your eyes&quot; open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jeff &#8211; Again, you&#8217;re not violating any rules IF you are committed to flipping this house in 2 to 3 years (and are pretty confident that you can turn that tidy profit) &#8230; you are simply speculating, which is an accepted Making Money 201 activity PROVIDED that you are going in with &#8220;your eyes&#8221; open.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 13:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Adrian - I think I have an exit plan.

1. Sell it.  Ideally there&#039;s a sizable profit here in three years or so, but that depends upon the RE market.  However, I think I could fire sale the property if I needed to move it quickly and still make a profit.  So the selling door is open.

2. Rent it.  I would do this only if there was a good reason why I should hold on to the property longer.  Things such as current RE market environment, potential for future appreciation and rental financials would be key indicators for me.  As I mentioned in the post, I believe at $3600/month mortgage it would cash flow negatively for a while.  If I can refi down to below 5%, I&#039;ll in a better position to do damage control in a rental scenario.  Obviously I&#039;ll need to factor in closing costs etc. to determine whether the numbers make sense for me.  I&#039;m willing to suck up a negative cash flow of $300-600 per month (which I&#039;ll call an investment) if it means I can continue to control the property long enough to realize future appreciation.  I consider this similar to my dollar cost averaging approach to my 401K/IRA etc...albeit with maybe a bit more risk.

@ Mark - You&#039;ve touched upon one of my strategies, reasons or maybe excuses to justify the mortgage payment I&#039;m incurring on this one.

I&#039;ve rationalized it as follows:

New Mortgage Payment =

Old (Virginia) Mortgage +
Additional Military Housing Allowance +
My Monthly 401K investments.

I am violating Adrian&#039;s 50/50 &quot;found money recommendation&quot; with the additional housing allowance.  But otherwise, I view this situation as one where I&#039;m paying the same mortgage as I&#039;m used to (Old + Found $ + existing investment).

As part of this plan I&#039;m shifting my monthly 401K contributions into my home for the short term.  Month to month, I expect it to &quot;feel&quot; the same financially.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Adrian &#8211; I think I have an exit plan.</p>
<p>1. Sell it.  Ideally there&#8217;s a sizable profit here in three years or so, but that depends upon the RE market.  However, I think I could fire sale the property if I needed to move it quickly and still make a profit.  So the selling door is open.</p>
<p>2. Rent it.  I would do this only if there was a good reason why I should hold on to the property longer.  Things such as current RE market environment, potential for future appreciation and rental financials would be key indicators for me.  As I mentioned in the post, I believe at $3600/month mortgage it would cash flow negatively for a while.  If I can refi down to below 5%, I&#8217;ll in a better position to do damage control in a rental scenario.  Obviously I&#8217;ll need to factor in closing costs etc. to determine whether the numbers make sense for me.  I&#8217;m willing to suck up a negative cash flow of $300-600 per month (which I&#8217;ll call an investment) if it means I can continue to control the property long enough to realize future appreciation.  I consider this similar to my dollar cost averaging approach to my 401K/IRA etc&#8230;albeit with maybe a bit more risk.</p>
<p>@ Mark &#8211; You&#8217;ve touched upon one of my strategies, reasons or maybe excuses to justify the mortgage payment I&#8217;m incurring on this one.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve rationalized it as follows:</p>
<p>New Mortgage Payment =</p>
<p>Old (Virginia) Mortgage +<br />
Additional Military Housing Allowance +<br />
My Monthly 401K investments.</p>
<p>I am violating Adrian&#8217;s 50/50 &#8220;found money recommendation&#8221; with the additional housing allowance.  But otherwise, I view this situation as one where I&#8217;m paying the same mortgage as I&#8217;m used to (Old + Found $ + existing investment).</p>
<p>As part of this plan I&#8217;m shifting my monthly 401K contributions into my home for the short term.  Month to month, I expect it to &#8220;feel&#8221; the same financially.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mark - It is a great question!

Naturally, there will be some true exceptions to any rule (otherwise everybody would have the same &#039;rule book&#039; and we&#039;d all be rich simply &#039;by the numbers&#039;): e.g. a duplex on one title, and you live in one and rent the other. But, what&#039;s your exit plan ... how do you release the investment portion of the equity?

If you have a good answer to that question, perhaps you can proportion the income and equity rules. Just don&#039;t fool yourself ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mark &#8211; It is a great question!</p>
<p>Naturally, there will be some true exceptions to any rule (otherwise everybody would have the same &#8216;rule book&#8217; and we&#8217;d all be rich simply &#8216;by the numbers&#8217;): e.g. a duplex on one title, and you live in one and rent the other. But, what&#8217;s your exit plan &#8230; how do you release the investment portion of the equity?</p>
<p>If you have a good answer to that question, perhaps you can proportion the income and equity rules. Just don&#8217;t fool yourself &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great question Mark.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 06:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Adrian - In special cases can the house be both an investment and a home? For example, for a single person, I can rent out a room in my house which makes it another kind of hybrid. So if the rules are violated but then if one can make it a partial investment property, do we apply the rules proportionally?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adrian &#8211; In special cases can the house be both an investment and a home? For example, for a single person, I can rent out a room in my house which makes it another kind of hybrid. So if the rules are violated but then if one can make it a partial investment property, do we apply the rules proportionally?</p>
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