Letting Loose with Lee's List
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Letting Loose with Lee’s List
We are seeing a great variety of Lee’s Lists: from the original – and still the best 🙂 – to the cut-to-the-chase of Josh’s and on to the other extreme of Diane’s detailed reworking of her Number, below. No one way is the ‘right’ way, as it is whatever works best for you … but, we will revisit our Number (hence, lifestyle and ‘non essential’ items) shortly … whichever way your list works, reviewing Diane’s is sure to help …
Since Lee’s list is a rehashing of our Rear Deck Speech (Front Porch Swing Speech) that relates to our financial needs, I compared my speech to my earlier spreadsheet.
When I look back over my list, my salary is negligible for now (going to paying down/off debt (Making Money 101). I also eliminated my housing dream for two reasons: (1) I want to travel a lot and (2) Barry is going to handle that side of the equation for us. I did keep in the costs for a new vehicle for me since mine is promised to my boys when they turn 16, and we are going to need another one eventually. Here’s the list:
Note – all costs were converted to annual requirements for ease of estimating.
Primary Major Purchases –$15,100
1st Home -$0-
2nd Home -$0-
Vehicle – $15,100: (based on annual requirements of $13,750, plus maintenance/tax of $1350)
Other Major Purchases — $9,125
Yard/Garden: $6,200
Books: $1,500
Jewelry: $130
Clothing: $1,250
Travel — $54,750
(60% of the following; also please note that these are representative for trips projected beyond the first year and may vary by length as well as number of persons traveling)
Japan $25,000
Ireland $12,500
New Zealand $18,750
Greece $15,000
Costa Rica $20,000
Living Expenses — $80,600
(these include some that Barry is covering today, but for the future, I expect this to be part of what would need to be covered)
Elec: $4,500
Gas $1,560
Water/sewer $750
Gasoline $6,250
Phone $4,500
Cable $1,500
Movies $750
Dinner $12,000
Food $12,000
Salon $5,850
Gifts $4,000
Pocket Cash $7,500
Dog Stuff $750
Medical $1,500
Boys Medical -0-
Boys CS -0- I zeroed this out in years 5 and 6 since it will end, realizing that in another way it won’t end….but the amount becomes optional in that timeframe.
These added up to $160,000 annually, rounding up. Now, remembering that these are only the OUTGOING EXPENSES, I estimated that I would need an additional amount to cover TAXES. I may get better at avoiding those, but today am not that smart, so I figured if my expenses are 40% of my pie, I need an additional $240,000 annually, or a total INCOME of $400,000 annually to meet these expenses.
I need to note here that these are for 5 years out. Eventually, I looked at 6 years out, and the total annual INCOME needed for $425,000.
Using Adrian’s method of multiplying that by 20 (I reviewed his free ebook (check it out!) to doublecheck what I was supposed to be doing/thinking about all this, and it said so or I misunderstood 🙂 ), and it calculated I would need $8M in 5 years or $8.5M in 6 years, which was close to what I had originally calculated when I had a super-duper Primary Residence included (but without staff, sadly) and a 2nd smaller home (about what I have now).
I have learned that sometimes homes can cause a lot of work, so I tried to be more realistic in what I want and would be happy with.
The list is insightful for a few reasons. It tells something about my priorities, as well as gives me a baseline to adjust as time goes on (and better information becomes available). It helps me understand what I am assuming already will be available and does not need to be accounted for, but to understand too that those assumptions may be wrong.
From it, one can probably also tell that I am not much of a clothes hound or into jewelry, but I do like to get my hair done professionally, as well as have massages. I may also have underestimated our medical expenses for the future, but I am assuming that we have a good insurance policy still. Somehow a gym got left off the list, but I have membership for a few more years, plus can do most (teach most) of what I prefer at home. Barry also has an in-house gym set-up which we can alter to suit our needs, so that may not be an issue to its not being on the list.
As I age, the traveling overseas may evolve to traveling to the coast for fresh seafood, across the US for a good football game, or just to the golf course (something I love but can’t afford time/money to do as much as I’d like).
I began the list with my income, then discounted it. It made not much difference in what I need, mostly because it will take 3 years using it alone to get me out of debt and I need to be ready in six years, if not 5.
What I would really like to know now (if I could go ask the great Wizard) is – have I calculated this correctly? Have I missed the boat? Can I get a vector check here ? 🙂
@ Diane – This is an excellent analysis of your Number and others should be using this as a ‘model’ to calc theirs …. soon … but, you have jumped a step (i.e. to reworking your Number).
I’m not sure that I see your “Lee’s List” [ refer to Lee’s post for an excellent model of that: http://7m7y.com/2008/10/03/crevices-and-foot-holds/ ] … so, the questions that I have remain unanswered:
1. WHY do you need [Number] by [Date]?
2. WHAT do you need to HAVE/DO (the critical things … salon visits don’t mean a ‘hill of beans’ to your grandkids) to satisfy that NEED (again, salon visits are a WANT)?